1969 Chevrolet Camaro

Pace Car Convertible

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124679N612286

Gasoline

69 CAMARO PACE CAR PROJECT ORIGINAL PROTECTO PLATE Unrestored - Off the road since 1975 No Eng/Trans Clear Title in my name Wanting an original Pace Car but afraid that you might be buying a fake? To the best of my knowledge, what I have here is an original in its unrestored state - with its' original paint. And the license plate and title show it to have been off the road since around 1975. I purchased this car in the early 90's looking basically as it sits now. Finding this car now is like taking a 25 year step back in time. Dreaming of a "barn find". This might be it. WHAT IS BEING OFFERED From what I can tell, this is an original Pace Car convertible that has never been restored and has been off the road since 1975 or so. Included in this auction is: The convertible shown in the various pictures The Protecto Plate warranty document pictured The Oklahoma "brown title" pictured (offered solely as a part of the history of the vehicle) The present "green" Oklahoma title which is in my name HISTORY AND VISUALS Is it real? That's probably one of the most frequently asked questions of any pacer - given the disturbing rise in fakes out there. With the unfortunate lack of GM documentation, the unrestored condition of this car makes it much easier to document since it can be pictured and documented as such before the restoration begins. Additionally, there is the warranty document, commonly called a protecto plate. Finally, consider the fact that I purchased this vehicle approximately 25 years ago - in the mid 80's. It has basically been "frozen in time" for those 25 years. With this kind of history and documentation it should not be hard to back up the originality of this car once it is restored. ORIGINAL STRIPING - You can even see a hint of orange overspray Other side's striping. Close up showing original pin striping along quarter. Upper front cowl area on LH side. Note original orange paint in cavity areas. Upper front cowl RH side. Has correct A/C cowl bracket, etc. Dash area. You can see Fan switch for A/C, Rosewood dash, and orange deluxe door panel (well worn). Note that radio area has not been cut for aftermarket unit. AREAS OF INTEREST Below are some close ups of various parts of the car which I thought would be of interest. Close up of LH front area. Note that front end damage was not that severe. Original front shaker still present. Other side with only similar minor damage. Also still has front RH shaker. Close up of master cylinder area showing SS master cylinder, and disc brake proportioning valve. AREAS OF CONCERN FOR RESTORATION PURPOSES No matter how original a car might be - you don't want a rust bucket. Here are some shots of areas which can be quite rusted out on some cars. Although the lower trunk was rusted out, and hence cut out for restoration, note how the upper areas still have the original spatter paint - a great sign of a truly solid car. As you can see, the other side also has its' original spatter paint. Spatter paint by back leaf spring support - RH side. How many Camaros have you seen with rust here? Same thing other side. Note how both sides still have original shakers. Close up of LH quarter area. You can see where the previous owner had planned to replace the quarter with a patch panel. Note how rust free the outer wheelwell is. Minor rusting in the lower areas but nothing that is going to cause you to really worry during restoration. Close up of LH rear door jam area. Note that car has power windows. Front LH door jam area. Also note that car has center dash clock and power top as evidenced by power top switch in dash. As a further sign of originality, note the well worn deluxe orange door panel. Lower area of LH door - often prone to rust. While door will probably need a new skin due to damage, you have a very solid door shell to work with. Close up of rocker area on LH side. How many cars still have their original paint left in this area which is so prone to rust? Front toe pan. With proper preparation the toe pan could be considered usable and treated with POR or such. As you can see, the floor pans have been removed in anticipation of replacement. Here is the original front grille & upper cowl piece. Since the car was last on the road in the mid 70's it appears that a front end collision caused the end of this pacer's road days. Collision did not appear that serious as I did not notice any sub frame damage. Note also the power top pump. Metal back for seat has surface rust but does not show any serious rust issues, as you can see here. More of Dash area. You can see Fan switch for A/C, Rosewood dash, and orange deluxe door panel (well worn). Note that radio area has not been cut for aftermarket unit. Rear RH door jam area showing original paint and rust free appearance. Note also the original orange door moulding piece. Lower RH door area. Also very solid RH rocker area - again very solid. Note how RH quarter has some rust in wheelwell lip area. ORIGINAL 12 BOLT ??? No engine or transmission, but car may still have its original 12 bolt rear end. Given when I purchased this car, I believe that this rear end should check out to be original, although I have not run the numbers. VIN IS WITHIN TIME PERIOD The vin, pictured here, matches the Protecto-Plate and the title. If you review the Camaro Research Group site and review the CRG Research Report on 69 Pace Cars and Z10’s (http://www.camaros.org/69pacer.shtml) you will note that pace cars were all built between the 02D, or fourth week of Feb, and the 05A, or first week of May. Therefore, at a minimum, the vin for the car has to fall within this range. Their site also has a end of month monthly Vin report (http://www.camaros.org/geninfo.shtml#HowMany), which offers some guidance into which time frame the VIN of a particular Camaro was produced. Naturally the time frame of the VIN should roughly compare to the date on the trim tag. The VIN for this car is 124679N612286 which places it in an early to mid March production area since the last VIN for Feb 69 was 607164, and the last VIN for Mar 69 was 623587, which shows this car to be a March 69 production. VIN AND HIDDEN VIN MATCH It shouldn’t happen, but there have been cases of switched dash VIN’s. As you can tell, to be a true Pace Car the VIN has to fall within the 02D to 05A period, which this car does. Therefore the hidden VIN is quite important for any car of value. If you have never seen a hidden vin, you may not know that they are imprinted into the metal and have only the year of production, production plant, and the last 6 digits which correspond to the unit number. The hidden VIN reads 9N612286, which does match the dash VIN of 124679N612286. TRIM TAG The car’s trim tag was apparently taken off for restoration purposes by the previous owner. I have been unable to locate it. OFF THE ROAD SINCE 1975 ??? Close up shot of tag from 1975 with ZR 7607 tag, matching old brown title tag. Although it also received new tags in 76 and 77, apparently the car was not put on the road since the 75 tag is still on it. During this period in time Oklahoma issued a new metal tag each year. Below is a picture of the brown title I received in the early 90's. The name/address have been covered on the photo for obvious reasons. Note that the tag was renewed in 1976 and 1977. However apparently it was not on the road during this time since the 1975 tag was still on the car. Note the total delivered price of $4850. Most older brown titles I have seen show pricing in the mid to low $2000 range. This was one expensive car back then. PROTECTO PLATE Shot of the original metal "protecto plate" used for warranty purposes. The name has been covered for photo purposes. Note how the original dealer - Morris Chevrolet - has its stamp on the document. Plate and packet itself Front of the "Owner Protection Plan" packet PACE CAR REPLICA NOTE: Other than the 2 original pace cars used for the race, all other "Pace Cars" are correctly referred to as Pace Car Replicas. The car in this listing is not one of the 2 original pace cars, but rather thought to be one of the Pace Car Replicas. ADDITIONAL ITEMS OF NOTE Although car has title in my name, it does not have a current tag since it has no eng/trans and can not be driven. Loose parts inside of car have been removed, especially as relates to busted grille/header and rain gutter, and should not be considered part of auction. PICKUP INFO Pickup is in Oklahoma as detailed in Terms of Sale below. BEING SOLD ‘AS IS’ Sold ‘AS IS’ with no warranty, either expressed, written, or implied. Some pictures may show other cars and various loose parts in and outside of the car which do not belong to this car. Neither the parts or the adjacent vehicles or buildings are included as a part of this auction. Wheels/tires may be different from those pictured. DEPOSIT Payment is to be within 48 hours of close of auction, and is to be made as explained in the Terms of Sale below. This deposit is non refundable. BALANCE The balance due is required within 7 days of auction close as explained in the Terms of Sale. PICKUP TO BE IN OKLAHOMA Please note that the item is located in Oklahoma and that pickup will be there. Pickup can not be made prior to receipt of full payment. Any pick up date will have to be MUTUALLY agreed upon. Pick up is to be no later than 21 days after close of auction unless mutually agreed upon to be otherwise. TITLE/LOADING ISSUES Upon completion of the transaction, as noted in the Terms of Sale, you will be given the Oklahoma title which is in my name and is free and clear and is not some salvage title. I do not have a current year tag for the car, which if deemed necessary, is to be the responsibility of the Buyer. Car has no brakes, etc, so loading may be difficult. Please plan accordingly and provide the necessary means and manpower. If using a transport please advise them of the loading issues. The car is easily accessible for loading. RETURN POLICY If for ANY REASON you find the item to be unacceptable you will be refunded the purchase price paid minus your deposit. The deposit is not refundable under any circumstance. Should you send a transport to pick up the item you will have an option to return it but will have to pay the costs of transport. The Return Policy is covered in greater detail in the Terms of Sale below. TERMS OF SALE WHEN YOU BID ON THIS ITEM,YOU ARE CONFIRMING THAT YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL TERMS LISTED HEREIN AND CONFIRMING ACCEPTANCE OF THIS AS A LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT SHOULD YOU BE THE HIGH BIDDER. Buyer confirms that he/she is of legal age. If Buyer has less than 10 feedback Seller has the right to reject the bid per the Terms herein. DEPOSIT: A deposit of one thousand dollars ($1000.00) is required within 48 hours of auction close, to be through payment methods noted below. Should the required deposit not be received within 48 hours Seller shall have right to offer to and sell the item to other bidders or non-bidders immediately after the 72nd hour. If proper deposit payment has not been received by the end of the 48th hour the Buyer will be considered to be in default of the Terms of Sale contract and will both have lost any right to the item and be subject to damages due to the Seller from such default. This deposit is not refundable under any circumstances. PAYMENT DUE BEFORE PICK UP: No payment upon pick up allowed. PAYMENT TIMING: Deposit as noted above is required within 48 hours of auction close, to be through approved payment methods. The remaining balance is due prior to pickup and within seven days of the close of the auction, whichever shall occur first. No payment upon pickup. Should the item not be fully paid for by end of seven days from close of auction, Buyer will lose all rights to the item, to include loss of his/her initial deposit unless Buyer and Seller mutually agree upon an extension through e-mail. PAYMENT METHODS: Payment can be made with any of the following: (a) Wire transfer to Seller's bank or (b) direct deposit into Seller's Bank of America account. Seller will not accept Pay Pal unless Buyer agrees to pay the associated fees. If Seller is in doubt, for any reason whatsoever, as to the validity of the transfer or payment, Seller reserves the right to delay pickup until verification from Seller's bank that said payment has properly cleared. No cash payments. Should Buyer choose to submit full payment as one sum and do so within 72 hours, Buyer shall still be considered as having made a deposit and a final payment so as to be eligible for a refund as detailed below, should one become necessary. AS IS: This item is being sold ‘AS IS” and “WHERE IS” with no warranty, either expressed, written, or implied. The Seller shall not be responsible for the correct description, authenticity, genuineness, or defects herein, and makes no warranty in connection therewith. No allowance or contract set aside will be made on account of any incorrectness, imperfection, defect or damage. Any and all descriptions or representations are for identification purposes only and are not to be construed as a warranty or guaranty of any type. TITLE & ACCEPTANCE OF SALE: When notified by Buyer of acceptance of item, Seller will through USPS Priority Mail send the Oklahoma title to the Buyer, provided properly approved receipt by Seller of full payment from Buyer has been made. Should the Buyer desire faster service such as overnight, such costs shall be those of the Buyer. Car does not have a current tag. Costs and responsibility for obtaining such are to be those of the Buyer. ACCEPTANCE: Seller will await Buyer’s Acceptance of item before signing and mailing title. Once the title is signed, item has in effect become the property of the Buyer. As such, a return is not allowed from that point forward. PICKUP: Pickup will be allowed only after full payment has been received and approved as detailed above by Seller. Buyer is responsible for arranging for and paying for transport and shipping costs, with pickup being at Seller’s place in Oklahoma. Pickup shall be made within 21 days of close of auction and shall be a date mutually agreed upon between Buyer and Seller to include storage fees if pickup is scheduled beyond 30 days after close of auction. Should the car not be picked up within 21 days of close of auction, Buyer will lose all rights to the car, to include loss of his/her initial deposit unless Buyer and Seller mutually agree upon an extension through e-mail. Should Buyer lose rights to the car, any monies received by Seller in excess of initial base fee would be refunded to Buyer, less any Pay Pal or wire fees incurred by Seller. RETURN POLICY: No refunds are allowable after Acceptance of Item by Buyer. If not yet accepted and Title not yet received, refunds, as detailed herein, are allowed after inspection by Buyer or by Buyer’s representative. No refunds of initial deposit. If item is rejected upon a timely inspection, balance of payments over and above the stated deposit amount made by Buyer to the Seller are to be refunded by Seller to Buyer within 10 days of satisfactory return of the item subject to limitations described herein. Seller shall be allowed to reduce the refund amount due to the Buyer for any Pay Pal fees incurred by Seller. Refunds to be in the form of a Cashier's Check and to be made upon completion of Buyer's responsibilities as regards return policies stated herein. Under no circumstances are any costs incurred by the Buyer in conjunction with picking up or returning the item to be considered refundable. For a refund to be allowable the item must be verified by Seller to be in exact condition as it was prior to arrival by Buyer or Buyer’s transport company for pickup and Buyer must have returned Title to Seller in a form identical to which it was issued to Buyer should an unsigned Title have been sent to Buyer. IF USING LOCAL PICKUP: Buyer is required to notify Seller of intent to refuse item prior to loading the item. If Buyer inspects item, it shall be left in exact condition as it was prior to inspection for a refund to be allowable per the terms herein this Agreement. Once item is inspected transaction is complete and no refunds are allowed. IF USING A TRANSPORT: Buyer shall inspect the item within 24 hours of delivery by transport. Should the Buyer find, upon delivery and inspection of the item, that the item is unsatisfactory, the Buyer shall notify the Seller of such within 24 hours of delivery drop off for a refund to be allowable per the terms herein this Agreement. Buyer shall be responsible for all costs of transport - including the cost of return transport and loading/unloading to return the item. The item must be returned to the Seller in the identical condition as it was at the time of pickup by the transport or the refund will be disallowed. Seller shall not be responsible for any damages incurred during transport or loading or unloading. INSPECTION POLICY: An inspection either at the Seller's place in Oklahoma or at the Buyer's place of delivery if using a transport, does not allow for the removal of or modifying of any part of the car, as the car must be left in the same condition after inspection as it was prior to inspection. Any such violation of this will require the Buyer to complete the purchase – similar to a “you break it you buy it” policy. LOCAL PICKUP INSPECTION - Buyer, if not using a contracted transport, is to inspect the item, prior to loading on the day of pickup – either in person or through a representative. Said inspection shall be at a mutually arranged time and is to be at the Seller’s place in Oklahoma and is to be at the time of pickup. Costs of inspection shall be those of the Buyer. Should, upon a timely inspection, the Buyer find the item unsatisfactory, the Buyer is not required to complete the purchase, but will lose his/her initial deposit. IF USING A TRANSPORT - Buyer shall have 24 hours from time of delivery drop off by his transport to inspect the item and notify Seller if item is found to be unsatisfactory. After this 24 hour period no returns are allowed and transaction shall be considered complete. Any and all costs of inspection shall be the responsibility of the Buyer. LOADING/TRANSPORT: Buyer shall hire and be responsible for all costs of loading and transport. Any damages in loading or transport shall be the responsibility of the Buyer as Seller is not responsible once either the Buyer or transport company begins loading the item. Should Buyer be returning the item, any damages in transport or reloading shall also be the responsibility of the Buyer as Seller requires that any return item be delivered back to Seller in identical condition to that of the item just prior to pick up. Any difference in condition shall void the Buyer's right to a refund. NOT INCLUDED; Any parts, other vehicles, buildings, etc. in the background of any picture of this listing are NOT included. Any parts on or within the car which are not specifically noted as being a part of the car being listed are also not included. Item is shell only and does not include any loose parts even if pictured. WHEELS & TIRES: No wheels or tires unless pictured. Tires, if pictured, should be assumed not to hold air. SELLER’S LIABILITY: Seller is to be held totally blameless. This includes, but is not limited to, circumstances, maintenance, restoration, loss of time, loss of profits, attorney fees, damages of any kind, loss of use, or other incidental damages at any time, past, present, or future due to this transaction. All questions concerning the construction, validity, and interpretation of Seller’s Terms of Sale, the dealing of the parties as regards this transaction, and the performance of the obligations imposed by this Agreement shall be governed by the laws of the State of Florida or Oklahoma as deemed prudent by the Seller. Any suit or action involving any dispute or matter arising from any interpretation of, element of, or other part of the dealing of the parties shall be only brought in the Court choice of the Seller. Further, the parties hereby agree that venue in any such court is proper, and the parties hereby consent to the exercise of personal jurisdiction by any such court with respect. INSURANCE & OTHER FEES: None provided, as item is local pickup only, either by Buyer or his/her representative. Seller is not to be held responsible for the security of the item after the close of the successful auction. Seller reserves the rights of listing per Ebay rules. Please bid accordingly.